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I've been following the discussion on Phil Windley's blog (he was at DIDWcon2002) about "The Transparent Society" (a great book). And now I see that Jon Udell (he was at DIDWcon2002 -- of course, all important people were ;-) has picked up the thread -- and brought forth the idea of "Freedom and Accountability" as opposed to "Freedom and Secrecy."
This brings up one of my favorite sub-topics that surrounds digital identity: anonymity. Many of the slashdotters recoil at Digital ID because it eliminates (supposedly) the anonymity of the web. And perhaps it does. But anonymity is NOT (never has been, never will be) an essential quality of a healthy democratic society. The ability to stay *unacknowledged* is a quality of that realm -- but not the ability to stay anonymous.
Anyway -- I follow with interest -- and love the fact that the identity discussion is moving into these very substantive realms....we're gonna have to put Jon onstage next year -- and give Phil a much bigger showcase. Nice work, gents...
Posted by ejnorlin at October 29, 2002 09:38 AM"The Supreme Court has long recognized the First Amendment right to communicate anonymously. In one of the more recent decisions, McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission, 514 U.S. 334 (1995), the Court concluded that anonymity "is not a pernicious fraudulent practice, but an honorable tradition of advocacy and of dissent. Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority."
At least the Supremes seem to think it is. Or is there something about "The ability to stay *unacknowledged* is a quality of that realm," which I frankly admit I don't understand, that covers their view?
Hamish.
Posted by: Hamish MacEwan at October 29, 2002 04:11 PMyeah, i think it is pretty complicated -- so let me define "anonymity": the ability to not be known. I'd argue that the supremes do NOT mean that - they mean the ability to be anonymous until laws are broken. Yes, my anonymity exists -- until i shoplift. Then its not about the "tyranny of the majority" so much as the fact that I stole something.
then again -- the subject is damn complicated and i could be wrong....but the conversation is the important part.
Posted by: eric norlin at October 29, 2002 06:30 PMI haven't seen the details of the Supreeme Court's decision Hamish quotes, but it seems to be lack an important part - a context. Courts are extremly wary to set precedents without any context whatsoever.
Did the Supreme Court meant that everybody has the right to communicate anonymously under any circumstances? Eric mentions one example of a context where general interpretation of "right for anonymity" does not apply but there are many many more. When I talk with my mate on the train and somebody overhears my conversation, does he impinge on my right for anonymous conversation? I don't thonk so.
Discussing right for privacy (as opposed to right for anonymity) is more safer I guess, but it is good to know that even here we are not on the completely safe terrain. The right for privacy, although acknowledged by US laws and and human rights conventions elswhere is not absolute and there are different interpretation as to what does it mean in practice (see Lessig's Code for details). A thing worth mentioning - a single interpretation of Privacy has not yet prevailed even among lawyers.
Besides that for reasonable conversations on privacy and identity Eric would like to have discussing sides need to have at least some shared ground in form of awareness of legal and social science theories behind the "right for privacy" and also have some notion on how they have been changing during the last 200 years.
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